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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
		<link>http://polymathprogrammer.com/2008/11/28/percentage-calculation-with-negative-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-34378</link>
		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 04:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Folke, your first example is applicable. In order to make the terms user-friendly, I suggest using the term &quot;market change&quot; instead of &quot;market loss&quot; or &quot;market growth&quot;. Let the value of the number, be it positive or negative determine the state. If market change is positive, the reader will read it as a growth. If market change is negative, it&#039;s read as a loss. This way, the terminology is clear.

If a component (eg seg A) is positive, thus providing growth, that component is still considered to be contributing to the market change. It just so happens that after everything is calculated, the final market change is negative, so it&#039;s a loss in total. It helped in promoting growth, just not enough.

As for your second example, I&#039;m not sure what calculation method was used. But I feel it&#039;s
Seg A = 400 / (-100) * 100% = -400%
and
Seg B = (-500) / (-100) * 100% = 500%

But either way, I hope you see that the percentages are *really* hard to explain and understand. Which is why the absolute-everything method might be more appropriate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Folke, your first example is applicable. In order to make the terms user-friendly, I suggest using the term &#8220;market change&#8221; instead of &#8220;market loss&#8221; or &#8220;market growth&#8221;. Let the value of the number, be it positive or negative determine the state. If market change is positive, the reader will read it as a growth. If market change is negative, it&#8217;s read as a loss. This way, the terminology is clear.</p>
<p>If a component (eg seg A) is positive, thus providing growth, that component is still considered to be contributing to the market change. It just so happens that after everything is calculated, the final market change is negative, so it&#8217;s a loss in total. It helped in promoting growth, just not enough.</p>
<p>As for your second example, I&#8217;m not sure what calculation method was used. But I feel it&#8217;s<br />
Seg A = 400 / (-100) * 100% = -400%<br />
and<br />
Seg B = (-500) / (-100) * 100% = 500%</p>
<p>But either way, I hope you see that the percentages are *really* hard to explain and understand. Which is why the absolute-everything method might be more appropriate.</p>
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		<title>By: Folke Dalskau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Folke Dalskau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 14:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Vincent,

Definitely a new way of viewing contribution for me.

1. Would you say this applies to for instance market growth as well? 
Say:
Total market growth:  -100
Segment A:             400
Segment B:            -500

Then:
Contribution Segment A = 400/(400+500)*100
          &quot;            = 44.4%
Contribution Segment B = 55.6%

For me, it would appear that seg A also contributes to the loss, which it does not. In terms of user-friendliness, it could be misunderstood, no?

2. When calculating in the same manner as I would if only positive numbers. Then:
Contribution Seg A =  400%
Contribution Seg B = -500%

Do you think this is wrong?
Mentioning I am not crazy with this method, since you sometimes - when difference between totalt growth and segment growth is large - get really high percentages...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Vincent,</p>
<p>Definitely a new way of viewing contribution for me.</p>
<p>1. Would you say this applies to for instance market growth as well?<br />
Say:<br />
Total market growth:  -100<br />
Segment A:             400<br />
Segment B:            -500</p>
<p>Then:<br />
Contribution Segment A = 400/(400+500)*100<br />
          &#8221;            = 44.4%<br />
Contribution Segment B = 55.6%</p>
<p>For me, it would appear that seg A also contributes to the loss, which it does not. In terms of user-friendliness, it could be misunderstood, no?</p>
<p>2. When calculating in the same manner as I would if only positive numbers. Then:<br />
Contribution Seg A =  400%<br />
Contribution Seg B = -500%</p>
<p>Do you think this is wrong?<br />
Mentioning I am not crazy with this method, since you sometimes &#8211; when difference between totalt growth and segment growth is large &#8211; get really high percentages&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
		<link>http://polymathprogrammer.com/2008/11/28/percentage-calculation-with-negative-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-34354</link>
		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 03:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi abhilash,

34 / (34 + 584) * 100% = 5.50%

452 / (452 + 676) * 100% = 40.07%

I hope that answers the question</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi abhilash,</p>
<p>34 / (34 + 584) * 100% = 5.50%</p>
<p>452 / (452 + 676) * 100% = 40.07%</p>
<p>I hope that answers the question</p>
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		<title>By: ABHILASH</title>
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		<dc:creator>ABHILASH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 14:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How i can calulate in excel the achivement % in the following case

act 34    Budget -584

act -452  Budget -676

What will be the % of achivement of actual to the budget</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How i can calulate in excel the achivement % in the following case</p>
<p>act 34    Budget -584</p>
<p>act -452  Budget -676</p>
<p>What will be the % of achivement of actual to the budget</p>
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		<title>By: surjadi sjariffudin</title>
		<link>http://polymathprogrammer.com/2008/11/28/percentage-calculation-with-negative-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-34314</link>
		<dc:creator>surjadi sjariffudin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 06:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank You very much Vincent

I learnt something new today :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank You very much Vincent</p>
<p>I learnt something new today <img src='http://polymathprogrammer.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 05:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surjadi, think of it this way. You started out with 0 net. Then you have -16 net. So it&#039;s a net loss.

A contributed 45.79% to that net loss. B contributed 54.21% to that net loss.

If I were a business person, I would say B is not a good investment...

The percentages are indications of contributions to the net effect. They don&#039;t have to be negative if the net effect is negative (-16 in this case).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surjadi, think of it this way. You started out with 0 net. Then you have -16 net. So it&#8217;s a net loss.</p>
<p>A contributed 45.79% to that net loss. B contributed 54.21% to that net loss.</p>
<p>If I were a business person, I would say B is not a good investment&#8230;</p>
<p>The percentages are indications of contributions to the net effect. They don&#8217;t have to be negative if the net effect is negative (-16 in this case).</p>
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		<title>By: surjadi sjariffudin</title>
		<link>http://polymathprogrammer.com/2008/11/28/percentage-calculation-with-negative-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-34312</link>
		<dc:creator>surjadi sjariffudin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 05:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Vincent,

thanks for your clarifications.

1 more question. 

A contributes 87 ( 45.79% ), B -103 ( 54.21% ) , overall result is -16 ( 87 - 103 ) 

my confusion is how the percentage contribution relates to the net of -16 ?

i mean , A which contributes 87, is not 45.79% of -16 ... 

for both positive numbers, the percentage contributions has definite and traceable link to the total net

thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Vincent,</p>
<p>thanks for your clarifications.</p>
<p>1 more question. </p>
<p>A contributes 87 ( 45.79% ), B -103 ( 54.21% ) , overall result is -16 ( 87 &#8211; 103 ) </p>
<p>my confusion is how the percentage contribution relates to the net of -16 ?</p>
<p>i mean , A which contributes 87, is not 45.79% of -16 &#8230; </p>
<p>for both positive numbers, the percentage contributions has definite and traceable link to the total net</p>
<p>thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 04:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Surjadi, let&#039;s say the profit/loss fluctuation of your 1st year is 190 (87 + 103). I&#039;m using abs(-103) because we&#039;re talking about change, not just positive change.

Then category A contributed 87/190 *100% = 45.79% to your bottom line. And category B contributed 103/190 *100% = 54.21% to your bottom line.

B made a more significant contribution to your bottom line than A (54.21 &gt; 45.79). In this case, it just means it affected your bottom line more. That doesn&#039;t mean you made more profit, because B was a loss.

Don&#039;t think of the numbers with exact values (positive or negative). Think of them as how much impact the categories have on your business&#039;s bottom line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Surjadi, let&#8217;s say the profit/loss fluctuation of your 1st year is 190 (87 + 103). I&#8217;m using abs(-103) because we&#8217;re talking about change, not just positive change.</p>
<p>Then category A contributed 87/190 *100% = 45.79% to your bottom line. And category B contributed 103/190 *100% = 54.21% to your bottom line.</p>
<p>B made a more significant contribution to your bottom line than A (54.21 > 45.79). In this case, it just means it affected your bottom line more. That doesn&#8217;t mean you made more profit, because B was a loss.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t think of the numbers with exact values (positive or negative). Think of them as how much impact the categories have on your business&#8217;s bottom line.</p>
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		<title>By: surjadi sjariffudin</title>
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		<dc:creator>surjadi sjariffudin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 04:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i have a real financial case. my business is split into category A and category B

in 1 year, category A makes profit of say 87
in the same year, category B makes a loss of -103

how do we calculate the percentange contribution of A and B ?

if i use the abs method, A contributes +45.80%, and B -54.21% ?

doesnt compute with me

thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have a real financial case. my business is split into category A and category B</p>
<p>in 1 year, category A makes profit of say 87<br />
in the same year, category B makes a loss of -103</p>
<p>how do we calculate the percentange contribution of A and B ?</p>
<p>if i use the abs method, A contributes +45.80%, and B -54.21% ?</p>
<p>doesnt compute with me</p>
<p>thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent Tan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vincent Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 13:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Steve, those are good answers.

What would happen if the numbers were 0, 0, 0, 0, 4, 6? The first 4 should contribute 0%, the 5th number 40% and the last number 60%? It doesn&#039;t make sense to me to give percentage contributions to the first 4 zeroes...

So the first answer you suggested has a specific condition. Which makes sense. And equally easy to explain to a non-tech, non-math layperson as the &quot;all are 0%&quot; explanation.

Your second answer is also correct. It&#039;s a little hard to explain NaN to a layperson though... the context is a financial report. The user doesn&#039;t care how edge cases are handled, only that they&#039;re handled, and easily understood.

Thanks for your comment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Steve, those are good answers.</p>
<p>What would happen if the numbers were 0, 0, 0, 0, 4, 6? The first 4 should contribute 0%, the 5th number 40% and the last number 60%? It doesn&#8217;t make sense to me to give percentage contributions to the first 4 zeroes&#8230;</p>
<p>So the first answer you suggested has a specific condition. Which makes sense. And equally easy to explain to a non-tech, non-math layperson as the &#8220;all are 0%&#8221; explanation.</p>
<p>Your second answer is also correct. It&#8217;s a little hard to explain NaN to a layperson though&#8230; the context is a financial report. The user doesn&#8217;t care how edge cases are handled, only that they&#8217;re handled, and easily understood.</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment!</p>
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